If you are newly floxed, let’s say two years or less, or if you are in a bad space emotionally it’s probably best that you pass this article over. Seriously.
When I started this website years ago, I was faced with an overwhelming about of data. Here I was, blogging about fluoroquinolones (FQ’s) as a cathartic release, unprepared for the road on which I was about to travel. Literally, I was totally unprepared to face the number of people who were travelling, more or less, the same road. I knew a lot of people had experienced these adverse drugs events (ADE’s), but the actual numbers ended up beyond my imagination. As a matter of fact, prescription drugs are the third leading killer of people in the U.S. and Europe, only second to heart disease and cancer (1), the the FQ’s are a big part of that.
ADE’s have complex manifestations, and the FQ’s are the poster children of complex manifestations. The modern medical establishment has a very tough time recognizing ADE’s from pharmaceuticals, even from those drugs that are likely to create ADE’s, so asking them to recognize FQ ADE’s is nearly impossible.
The FQ class of antibiotics are capable of setting into motion an idiopathic syndrome that causes numerous symptoms, of which can number into the several hundred. The adverse events of FQ’s are often disparate and by all definitions outrageous to a classically trained doctor. Although I am not making excuses, there really is no way to quantify this type of insidious damage based on the training of most doctors.
Mining Data
Mining data from this realm is challenging to say the least, and, the people who are supposed to be doing it, aren’t. That, unfortunately, leaves schmucks like me left to do the dirty work.
Regulatory agencies and pharmaceutical companies, despite now having access to decades of FQ prescribing data, are dropping the ball. One could easily surmise that they are doing this intentionally because if they did, we would uncover many ugly inconvenient truths.
I, regrettably, have been wading waist deep in this anecdotal collection of FQ ADE information since I started this website since 2009, but at least some of it has come to fruition. Scholars like Dr. Bennett, Dr. Noble, Dr. Golomb, and others, have tapped me for data in one aspect or another, and I have contributed to the occasional academic paper on FQ’s.
I have found, more often than not, that the FQ data trail leads us into areas where we do not want to go; areas that we would normally avoid, if it were up to us. One of these ugly inconvenient truths that I would like to look away from but keeps rearing its ugly head is what the medical community refers to as ‘late effects.’
Late Effects
Late effects are defined by the National Cancer Institute as health problems that occur months or years after treatment has ended (1).
Actually there are only a few classes of drugs that are recognized by the medical establishment as causing late effects. Among them are topoisomerase inhibitors that are used in anti-cancer therapy (chemotherapy) such as etoposide, teniposide, doxorubicin, daunorubicin, mitoxantrone, and amsacrine (2).
Yet, the FQ’s are topoisomerase II inhibitors.
See the disconnect?
We expect late effects in some patients who take systemic Topoisomerase Inhibitors for cancer, but the medical system totally dismisses them in patients who take Topoisomerase II Inhibitors as antibiotic therapy.
The late effects are there, but the medical establishment isn’t looking for them.
Like ripples on a pond, these late effects are spreading out throughout society, and not getting connected back to the FQ’s.
Ever since my entrance into this hellish world called floxing, I have been loosely documenting cases of individuals who were exposed to FQ’s, assumed a recovery, and then developed ‘late effect’ much later on, or those who took and FQ and had an unremarkable course of therapy and then later, much later, developed health problems.
Falsehoods
There are two falsehoods that have become apparent to me.
The first, and the most obvious to those who have been personally impacted by the FQ’s, is that the general population is being sold a false bill of goods that these drugs are safe. Many doctors, researchers, and the like, find these drugs are impeccably safe. Why? Because they are not looking for the long term collateral damage. Their eyesight for ADE’s is myopic and narrow.
The second, and the most unpleasant one, if you suffered from an adverse event, no matter how small, you are home free once you recovered.
Initially, years ago I thought that the pools of late arrivals (those suffering from what is referred to as delayed adverse events), and those returning after having apparently recovered, were both very small. Regrettably, time has shown me that these pools are much larger than I previously thought. And that is just from the people who ‘connected the dots’ linking their new health problems to the FQ’s they had much earlier.
This begs the hypothetical question, “How many people don’t actually make the connection?” The obvious answer is that we’ll probably never know as the data gets lost in the noise, and the medical establishment will never blame it on the antibiotic…. ever.
The world’s belief structure about the FQ’s, driven by the medical community, is built on false narratives about safety that frankly don’t exist.
Cognitive Dissonance
There are many reasons why the FQ’s have fallen so handily into a protective niche in our society: they came on the scene at the perfect time before our knowledge of mitochondria was more advanced, their method of action is poorly understood by the medical community, their unique method of action allows for the development of late effects which separate cause and effect, and medical cognitive dissonance, just to name a few.
I do think that most doctors suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Cognitive dissonance is a universal human phenomenon and it is based on the assumption that people want consistency between their expectations and reality. Because of this, they contort their thinking into knots to make that happen. In the case of ADE’s, to preserve the notion that our efforts help rather than hurt, their impulse is to attribute the harm to something other than their intervention.
Obviously, a cognitive dissonant attitude drives the failure to connect ADE’s to the guilty medications. This not only fails the patients, but again it fails in reporting statistics which leads the FDA to grossly underestimate the ADE’s experienced by patients. The bottom line is that doctors and patients believe that the FQ’s are much safer than they really are…and they cling to this belief, despite evidence to the contrary.
Unpleasant Truths
Today, however, one of my biggest demographics is individuals who have assumed complete healing and have returned. My data also shows that when they return, many are less vocal than before; they tend to shun FQ related social media and other outlets, so the community doesn’t hear a lot of the stories told by these unfortunate souls. However, in my little niche, I do, and with regular frequency.
Many times, returning individuals end up in more specific communities such as chronic fatigue, peripheral neuropathy, mitochondrial, neurological, and on and on. They have one thing in common however, the FQ’s were the initiator.
The detractors to this inconvenient truth are varied, from those entrenched in our political and medical system, to those new to this horror, and to some who are in self-denial.
With hindsight starting to allow us to peer into the once fog shrouded statistics, we start seeing the ugly anecdotal ties to Parkinson’s, ALS, Alzheimer’s and a whole host of other, albeit less serious but still terribly disabling pathologies.
When you look at the recovery stories through this lens, the veracity of the statistics takes on a whole new dimension. People’s recovery, like levels of pain, are subjective, since no one uses the same standard to describe their recovery. I often get asked the question “What does a recovery look like?”
When you weed out the ones who were probably never floxed in the first place (those who recovered from death’s door in six months or less and are back jogging), or those suffering some other health malady with overlapping symptoms, and then analyze the scant long term data that we have, the picture is . . . not real pleasant.
For those poor returning souls this situation creates a conundrum. Their message, along with their data, gets lost, delegitimized. It is an inconvenient truth that gets relegated to the dark fringes of the FQ community. The medical establishment treats these patients the same way, like pariahs, especially if the try to blame their ADE’s on FQ’s. This often forces drastic measures.
One floxie who I will call ‘Bill’ told me his story which epitomizes this situation:
Time will tell where this leads him. In a sense, Bill wasn’t lying. He did in fact have a Topoisomerase II inhibitor, he had Levaquin.
To his body, metabolically he received a course of chemotherapy.
Bill, who thought he was home fee, fell back into the black hole of long term collateral damage from floxing.
For many, calling Bill’s story rare or unusual makes them feel better.
The inconvenient truth is that Bill’s story is not rare or unusual. The messages of toxic positivity, which I wrote about here, take away from the true devastation that these drugs cause. Regrettably, medical professionals and policy makers gravitate towards recovery messages and use them as excuses to look away. This feeds into the cognitive dissonance that I mentioned earlier. The resulting output is the belief that serious long lasting damage is rare and that these drugs are safe.
My premise; its all an illusion.
FQAD outcomes are blurry at best. There is no long term tracking data done of the floxed population. Although my capabilities are limited, my statistics don’t paint a pretty picture.
This begs another hypothetical question and one that I, like I mentioned earlier, get confronted with on a regular basis, “What does a true recovery from the FQ’s look like?” Many times I am asked to speak comfort, when I can’t.
In reality, how many individuals go on to develop other health conditions years down the road related to the FQ’s? I think the truth would shock us all.
What about the athlete who can no longer perform in peak condition? Or a police officer that can’t chase after a suspect? A secretary who can no longer ‘concentrate’ at her job? A typist who can’t type, a jogger who can’t jog, or a singer who can’t sing? You get the picture.
Walking Wounded
In first aid and triage they have a phrase called the walking wounded. These are injured persons who are of a relatively low priority. How many FQ related walking wounded are in our society?
If politicians and doctors believe that FQ toxicity is a recoverable condition, it lessens the amount of energy put towards drug safety and curbing the use of these drugs. It also alienates the multitudes that become permanently disabled, in one way or another, from these horrible medications. They have no legitimate label, or recognition. In other words it goes on….forever.
I don’t know the exact count of these disenfranchised and damaged people wandering about like battle weary survivors of an apocalypse, and I probably never will. All I know is that they are there, and there many more than I had even begun to imagine when I started this endeavor.
Do you know of a loved one, a friend, a co-worker, or someone else who suffers from a diagnosis of mysterious origin, such as peripheral neuropathy with an unidentified cause? If so ask them to do some detective work to find out if they have had FQ usage in their past, and not necessarily their immediate past. Tell them that FQ’s are often given during surgery, often without the patient’s knowledge.
If you are faced with potential antibiotic use, for yourself or a loved one, please become informed as to the choices that you have available. If antibiotic use is necessary, there are generally safer alternatives than the Fluoroquinolones. Discuss all concerns with your doctor about treatment to help you choose the safest method.
Well Done David. FQ toxicity is bizarre. I don’t think most people would be able to connect the dots, especially the elderly. I stopped taking Cipro in 2012 due to tendonitis. I battled some mild tendonitis in my forearms and shoulder but life was pretty normal and I thought I dodged a giant bullet, then A YEAR AND A HALF LATER I absolutely started to fall apart. It continues to get worse to this day. It’s been almost 8 years now since Cipro. Sad to say I’d choose death rather than this reality. I believe there are so many people suffering unknown chronic conditions due to FQ’s. I also believe there are a few people at the FDA, Bayer and J&J that know full well the devastation but remain silent.
I am a walking wounded and my symptoms started AFTER I completed taking Cipro. These drugs are evil. David is the only voice that is represents those of us who are truly chronically floxed in the world. Shame on the medical establishment and politicians for turning a blind eye.
Excellent article David. I think this captures a horrific aspect to the FQ’s that most people can’t or don’t want to comprehend. Yet it is an aspect that is quite prevalent in our society.
Hi there. A very interesting read.
I am 18, absolutely no health conditions whatsoever. However I have had recurring respiratory infections that did not respond to any antibiotics. The doctor now prescribed levoflaxacin for me. I did some reading and thought tendinitis was my worst worry, and so I started taking it. I’ve taken 2000mg so far and my hands and feet feel tingly. If I stop immediately, what are the odds of me fully recovering? Everyone thinks this is psychosomatic, but I know it’s real. My life is just starting. Is it already ruined or do I have some chance of it being normal?
Very astute article here David. Thank you. I was poisoned (it is not an adverse drug reaction, but a real poisoning) by both Cipro and Levaquin in the late 1990s and am now (2019) having real problems with Peripheral Neuropathy and have had 4 heart surgeries. These FQ antibiotics kill mitochondria and change our DNA. It is even more insidious than you have alluded to. I can not work, am in credit card and other debt, and in real danger of losing my house. People who get “relapses” have usually eaten some foods with the FQ antibiotics in them. Now farmed fish is the most problematic food.
Is it true that tendon pain can emerge and get worse years later? I was given cipro in a pic line to treat neurological Lyme-in 2010 I had years of recovery but now ever tendon in my body hurts it’s literally a decade later- I asked my dr and he said the effects would have been immediate and it’s my age (I’m 45)